These were the first hats that I owned and in the beginning, I didn't know any better an I thought they were fine. But as I have gained experience and played with some different kits and hats, they really seem sub-par at best. The sound is not lively or loud and they don't have a very precise chick. One way to describe them is to say that they sound like hitting better hats with a rubber mallet. No definition or volume and not bright. Also, the bright finish on them has begun to wear unevenly creating dull and bright "spots" on the cymbal. I wouldn't recommend them.